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Lydia Browm
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Posted - 2007.08.30 19:57:00 -
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Ok the Ares and Eris they are underpowered tbh, the Eris is no good you can tell from the price  but the Ares i can give expierience on.
It has a split weapon system and is a mother to fit out. So any suggestions would be nice to give them a revamp maybe proper hardcore drone boats that can actally fit tanks or missile boats or maybe something 
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Lydia Browm
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Posted - 2007.08.30 20:03:00 -
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IMO these ships need to be looked at really there pain's in the rear to fit out to fill a decent roole i'd either like a missile platform or a drone platform or a ?
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Lydia Browm
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Posted - 2007.08.30 20:05:00 -
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 Originally by: sov68n
Ares=Interceptor
Tanks dont belong on ships flying around at 15km/s. its a tackler, and only that. not a drone boat, not a missile boat, not an anything boat but a tackler. Weapon system = t2 scram Tank = lots of speed/agility/mass modules + MWD
Eris=Interdictor
It is meant to drop interdiction spheres and then die. destroyers cant tank/put out dps anyway, and the interdictor is mean only for its role. its a fleet ship, not a solo omgwtfpwnmobile.
stop whining
So why can a crow be used as a omgwtfpwnmobile, and you know the first sabre you come into your gonna die because you can't keep at range because your webbed and even if you do mamnage to keep orbit at 3.5km a sec he can still hit you. So stfu what do you fly Crow ? Oh wait your not gallente your caldari so its a omgwtfsolopwnmobile crow
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Lydia Browm
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:35:00 -
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Im not asking for the Crow to get nerfed just the raptor eris and ares be improved a lil bit wether it be a complete re-vamp like khanid mk II? or Increase pg / cpu or give it special bonuses to tackling.
Oh and while we are on the topic im assuming all the pink ships are the same people why are some dedicated rail and others split 
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Lydia Browm
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Posted - 2007.08.31 23:19:00 -
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After just playing around in EFT with all skills level 5 and fitting the following:
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
1MN MicroWarpdrive II
[empty med slot]
125mm Railgun II
125mm Railgun II
125mm Railgun II
125mm Railgun II
125mm Railgun II
Interdiction Sphere Launcher I
Improved Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
Seems gess what even that doesn't fit with perfect skills your still 6.25 cpu over with an extra med and 4 lows left, anyone care to explain that now lets compare it to the sabre:
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
1MN MicroWarpdrive II
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
150mm Light AutoCannon II
150mm Light AutoCannon II
150mm Light AutoCannon II
150mm Light AutoCannon II
150mm Light AutoCannon II
150mm Light AutoCannon II
Interdiction Sphere Launcher I
Improved Cloaking Device II
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
212 / 285 cpu used and 29.8 /72.5 powergrid used with the same tier (more guns also on the sabre) compared to the Eris's 248.75/242.5 and 55/77.5.
Now the Sabre has 2 lows and 3 med slots left a total of 5 slots remaining, the Eris has 1 High slot (WTF is supposed to go here, a rocket launcher rofl) he Eris has 4 Low's a Medslot a Highslot which are empty a total of 6 slots.
Anyone got any counter arguements??? Now if your not gonna change much either give it another 2 missile hardpoints take out its turret bonuses replace with missile bonuses and give it more powergrid and cpu drastically to make it inline with the other interdictor (I used sabre as this is a turret Interdictor also) Or take out its missile bonus give it another turret slot and give it a damage bonus or another tracking bonus. Give it more cpu, powergrid doesn't seem to be much of an issue atm and btw right off the bat with just mwd's involved and same skills Eris: 835m/s and Sabre 963 m/s, ill tell you the speeds with lows and then lows and rigs:
With 3 o/d + 1 nano and 2 od the speeds are:
Eris: 1464 m/s
Sabre: 1356 m/s
Now with 2 nano and 3 nano and 1 od:
Eris: 1315m/s
Sabre: 1190 m/s
Now with Overdrives + 1 nano and 2 overdrive + Polycarbon Engine Housing Rig's to both:
Eris: 1801 m/s
Sabre: 1757 m/s
Now with those setups the signature Radius's are as follows:
Eris: 516m2
Sabre:450m2
Also with those setups : (May i remind you the Eris setup doesn't fit either but persumably, with max skills and closest range ammo:
Eris: 133DPS 266 Alpha - reduces speed to 590 m/s
Sabre: 203 DPS 493 Alpha
Now your probably thinking why am i comparing railguns to Autocannons:
Reasons to be able to stay on par speed wise with a Sabre the Eris needs to use all it's low's, Now that leaves it with 1 med and no cpu so no tank there, or u can take out the lows, wait now you can't cause nothing will fit, now onto the Sabre setup i can put on:
2 Medium F-s9 Shield Extender I's, now that leaves me with 262 / 285 cpu and 71.8 / 72.5 powergrid.
Now the sig radius:
Eris: 516m2
Sabre: 510m2
Now if u get a 1% turret powergrid usage reducing implant you have enough powergrid to probably squeeze on a web. But now the Sabre has more DPS, 44 less speed, can run its setup forever wheras the eris for 1m 56s, Smaller sig radius then a Eris aligns faster than a Eris locks faster than a Eris and can take mor of a beating than a eris and can actually fill its slots up and not have to worry to much about going close range because its not a paper bag oh and incase your wondering it end up with 3468 shield HP.
NOW ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY ARGUEMENTS
P.S. How on gods earth did you get a Eris to 6km a sec without implants or Faction mods care to explain?
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Lydia Browm
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Posted - 2007.08.31 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: sov68n
STOP WHINING
There are PLENTY of other kickass gallente ships out there. if the eris and ares dont fit your needs:
FLY ANOTHER GOD DAMN SHIP!!!
CCP does NOT have the time to code for every little whine that people put on the forums. especially boosts/nerfs because of imbalancing issues.
just get over the fact that there are actually two gallente ships that aren't superb ships. if these two DO get boosted, there will be even MORE of an imbalance, as the gallente will no longer have a ship that can be shown up by another race's.
so again,
STOP WHINING
First of all im not whining i am merely fighting my case with facts not:
OMG CCP NO DON!!! J00 can't do that!!!111eleventyone Gallente Ar3 liek too ub3r 1337 h4x!
You fight a case like i did show me facts and just so you now Gallente are supposed to be kings of Close Range combat and thats where most pvp takes place so it's natural that the shops kick you in the nuts in that type of combat. But there not all overpowered or suberb there good yes, Ishtar would get wtf pwned by a vaga deimos gets killed by any ship wichi can tank it for a few mins. Myrmidon again killed by any ship that can tank its drones and deal damage from 15km, ishkur killed by a wolf see lack of lows and massive explosive hole. Any other suggestions?
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Lydia Browm
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Posted - 2007.08.31 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: sov68n
yea i have a suggestion, make this into a discussion about how the eris and the ares suck, and not into one about requesting a boost/nerf, cuz unless hundreds of ppl sign it, it wont get done.
Well after talking to DEVS the other day they have more chance of implementing something if it is discussed with arguements and counter arguements not just
/signed
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/signed
shows how much you know and omg you just got pwned can't come up with an arguement rofl
Back into your dungeon troll
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Lydia Browm
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.31 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: sov68n
when it gets implemented you can talk
Please either stfu and stop trolling before the thread gets locked or make some suggestions and lets see you try.
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Lydia Browm
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Posted - 2007.09.01 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: sov68n
Originally by: Jai Cee
I can only think that you've never flown an interdictor before or to be honest been in 0.0
I'm in 0.0 right now and have been here for 5 months. Check my alliance, KOS lives in 0.0. and I've seen SOO many fleet battles where all the dictors did was drop bubbles. even heretics and sabres. I also watch them get primaried and destroyed because they were trying to kill things instead of get safe so they could be with the fleet to drop more bubbles, especially in fleets where we have limited dictors.
You didn't see the dictors shooting at anything when Shrike was dying did you?
You are thinking about blob warfare in 0.0 thought about 0.0 solo and small gang warfare ?
In small gang warfare you need all the dps and tank you can get, whats the point in having a Eris then ? May aswell get a flycatcher it can get 44km + with missiles pwn frigs have a light tank and still drop a bubble. Or lets get the sabre out and go solo hunting for anything smaller than a T1 cruiser.
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Lydia Browm
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Posted - 2007.09.01 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: sov68n
Edited by: sov68n on 01/09/2007 14:35:15
Originally by: Lydia Browm
You are thinking about blob warfare in 0.0 thought about 0.0 solo and small gang warfare ?
In small gang warfare you need all the dps and tank you can get, whats the point in having a Eris then ? May aswell get a flycatcher it can get 44km + with missiles pwn frigs have a light tank and still drop a bubble. Or lets get the sabre out and go solo hunting for anything smaller than a T1 cruiser.
yea... this entire time i was arguing for the fleet dictors. if you meant the small gang dictors then yea, they need dps, but i mean, the best option would be to simply train Caldari Frigate 5 and use the Flycatcher, since you wouldnt have to train any new gunnery skills and missle skills aren't that difficult to train to; and the Eris won't be boosted for awhile if it ever does.
edit: added more information
You don't get it do you, why should I have to train for another race ships, if this was the case why were Khanid Mk II introduced??? Explain that to me why didn't the dev's just say "Train Caldari!" ?
Whats the matter you gota Heretic / Sabre / Flycatcher BPO ?
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Lydia Browm
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Posted - 2007.09.01 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Jai Cee
Originally by: James Lyrus
Eris will do 6500 m/sec and do >200dps.
Please tell me what setup does both these things? I've come up with a few Eris setups and it comes down to speed with pathetic DPS and almost no cap or reasonable damage at extreme close range but poor speed and no way to keep ships in range due to only 2 mids.
Please don't give all that rubbish about Gallente being best in all ship classes in every ship class there is another races ship as good or better than Gallente. All thats being asked is that ships should be balanced not better than the competition. The Eris and Ares are significantly sub-par and if you disagree then give some cold hard numbers and show me why they are actually better than I think.
OK:
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Interdiction Sphere Launcher I
Light Electron Blaster II
Light Electron Blaster II
Light Electron Blaster II
Light Electron Blaster II
Light Electron Blaster II
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I
Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Faster than a Sabre. More DPS than a Sabre.
Using faction antimatter, and faction rockets, and a hobgoblin II, that's 180dps. (Which I admit, is less than the 200 I quoted, because you need the sphere launcher).
It'll do 6551m/sec too. Has enough CPU for a damage mod (208dps), if you're prepared to lose the nano (and be down to 6144 m/sec, which still compares fairly well with the sabre on 6390).
Admittedly, the Sabre is going to be able to fight outside web range (although, it's healthily into it's falloff at that point, so isn't doing the 'paper' 160dps). So's the flycatcher (which is doing all of it's 80 dps, assuming the opponent isn't outrunning it). And ... this ship just can't passive shield tank.
But if the complaints about it are because it's a gallente ship, that's short range and can't passive tank, I'm going to laugh.
To say it's not as good as the sabre? Well, no, it isn't. Then again, neither are any of the other 'dictors. So it goes.
Please check my maths on page 1
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Lydia Browm
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Posted - 2007.09.03 08:41:00 -
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This is not a thread to get another i-win ship or anything like that its about getting it on par with the others even if i' still the worst atleast it will be usable
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Lydia Browm
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Posted - 2007.09.03 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Theron Gyrow
Eris is a very good ship in its niche. There is no ship I'd rather use as a salvager.
Very funny
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Lydia Browm
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Posted - 2007.09.04 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: MasterDecoy
bah, eris can stay like that. maybe bring down a saber just a tad as it does an inty's job with a hell of a punch AND can drop bubbles. no minnie hate here, just common sense 
the ares could have a gun slot changed for a missile slot but honestly, it goes damn fast, it tackles, it's cheap. big ******* deal! buy the taranis if you want WTFDAMIGE! the ares is meant to tackle, and it does that quite well
/me goes to rant in the roden MKII thread
TrOlL!!! KtHzBaI!
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